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Frequently Asked Questions
What does generation mean?
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Sunshine Acres specializes in hybrid crosses of Golden Retriever and
Poodle, often called the Goldendoodle. There are so many
breeding programs for doodles today that it can be confusing to the
newcomer that is trying to educate themselves on what F1, F1B, F3,
etc might mean. Most geneticists agree that hybrid vigor or
heterosis occurs in the offspring of two genetically different
parents of the same genus. When Gregory Mendel discovered this
with peas, a Latin term for generation was created called F for
filial (generation = filial). Thus, we get the term F1 which
stands for a first generation cross between two different breeds of
dog.
Many years later, mid 1900's, corn geneticists discovered other
types of first generation crosses that improved over the single
crosses of hybrids of the day (only using two different parent
lines). This 3 way cross, otherwise termed F1 Type 3, was
found to improve the genetic performance of the corn lines.
The corn geneticists would use a hybrid and cross it to another
unlike parent line. This improved disease resistance,
increased yields, and improved drought tolerance. However,
these same geneticists will also tell you that you must start with
at least one line with a desirable characteristic to achieve
improvement. For example, one corn line must have higher yield
performance to improve the offspring of a cross. The more
desirable traits that a parent line starts with and the fewer
undesirable traits they do not posess, the greater the chance for a
successful cross. This advice is the same for dogs.
Sunshine Acres has adapted this knowledge to our program and have
now included the Irish Setter as one of the parent lines. This
new type of hybrid is an F1 Type 3 and has a greater potential for
better health and vigor than the traditional F1 (Golden x Poodle).
We have searched far and wide for our genetics to create a firm
foundation in our breeding program. Our Irish Goldendoodles
puppies have a hybrid mother (Irish x Golden) and a purebred father
(Poodle). Other breeds could have been selected, but Sunshine
Acres' program is focused on devotion, intelligence, dark rich
colors, silky, low to no shedding coats and high health in an
attempt to have puppies who live long happy lives.
Since this cross was instituted in 2008, Sunshine Acres now
differentiates the two different types of puppies we raise:
F1 Type 1 = Hybrid puppy from purebred
parents (Golden and Poodle)
F1 Type 3 = Hybrid puppy from one
hybrid parent (f1 Type 1) and one purebred parent (Poodle)
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Why Doesn't Sunshine Acres raise other
generations?
First of all let's define some of the other generations.
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F1B refers to a puppy from crossing an F1 Type 1
Goldendoodle to a Poodle (1/4 Golden and 3/4 Poodle). This cross
has been borrowed from the days of the Labradoodle. An F1 Type 1
Labradoodle often had an undesirable coat, so the F1B Labradoodle was
bred in an attempt to set the coat to a more poodle type coat.
This cross can be beneficial to the Goldendoodle if the breeder
consistently has F1 Type 1 Goldendoodles with poor quality coats.
Otherwise, the F1B does increase the amount of inbreeding and can
lower the amount of hybrid vigor. Special care by the breeder
should be taken to be sure the Poodle parents are the most unrelated
as possible.
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F2 refers to a puppy that is produced by crossing
two F1 Type 1 (F1 Goldendoodle) parents. Unless a breeder is
focusing on creating a new purebred dog, this mating would otherwise
produce an undesirable offspring if you are looking for a puppy with
known genetics. Simply put, the offspring from to F1 Type 1
Goldendoodles would produce litters that have puppies that are 25%
pure Poodle, 50% F1 Type 1, and 25% pure Golden. Essentially,
you can get a similar puppy to the F1 Type 1, but you may
not. Sunshine Acres has chosen not
to raise the F2 because we would not know what we are selling.
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F2B refers to the above mentioned puppy that is
mated to a purebred Poodle. Again, this would set the coat a
little more to the Poodle side, but here is what you would really be
getting from a litter of puppies with this mating. 50% of your
puppies would be purebred Poodle and 50% would be the same as the F1
Type 1 Goldendoodle. So if you want a Poodle, why not just buy a
purebred Poodle (it is worth more and costs less). If you want
an F1 Type 1 Goldendoodle, then buy the F1 Type 1.
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Anything beyond these crosses are going to yield
similar results but the percentages in a litter are going to be
different unless the breeder has access to huge gene pool (hundreds of
dogs) and are selecting for certain characteristics. So don't go
telling a breeder making these crosses that they are wrong for doing
so unless you understand their motivation for the cross.
Sunshine Acres supports the F1 Type 1, the F1 Type 3, a double cross
(not yet defined), and the F1B as superior matings for the loveable
Goldendoodle. Remember our focus at Sunshine Acres is about the
hybrid vigor and not about making another
pure breed.
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It is Sunshine Acres belief that any Goldendoodle
with less than 50% Poodle is not a Goldendoodle. It is a dog.
It is a hybrid of some sort, but it is not a Goldendoodle.
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Supporting links on Goldendoodle genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_hybrid
http://idog.biz/Doodle%20Articles/DoodleArticleHybridVigor.html
http://www.creativegeneticsofca.com/documents/others/australian%20crossbreeding.pdf
just search for 3-way cross and read :)
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What kind of coats
do your puppies have?
My Goldendoodles have mostly
wavy to slightly curly coats. My reds, golds, and creams shed
very lightly to not at all. I have seen this in person by
attending Doodle Romps where my puppies have grown into adults.
You read and hear of so many
classifications of coats, such as fleecy, flat, wavy, woolly.
Generally, these terms fit the Labradoodle and not necessarily the
Goldendoodle. For the most part, my Goldendoodles will be soft
to the touch and wavy in appearance. I have found that the
male Poodle contributes very much to traits and not all Poodles are
cut out to be Doodle Dads. The Golden Retriever will play more
of minor role in the determination of the coat, but generally I look
for Doodle Moms who have a decent amount of feathering.
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What
vaccinations, dewormers, etc do you give?
Here
is a link to our schedule, which will accompany your puppy.
What is the
process for purchasing a Sunshine Acres Puppy?
See the steps to
getting a puppy.
Do you
What Supplies do I need to have on hand when my Goldendoodle puppy comes
home?
Nutrisource
Small Medium Breed Chicken and Rice for Puppies Food
Find Nutrisource Retailers
Treats-small soft ones work well. For an extra
special treat, use cheese or small pieces of cooked ground beef or
chicken.
A copy of Jan Fennel's book or
DVD of "The Dog Listener". This book is a must
read/watch for any dog owner who wants willing cooperation
from their pet. If you only read one thing-be sure this
is it. Here is a link to Jan's site where you can
learn about her methods.
Buy her book on Amazon.
Stainless-steel
non-tipping food and water bowls
I.D.
Tags with the contact information for yourself and your
veterinarian
A collar (8 to 12 inch
size) and a 6-foot leather or nylon leash
A 42
inch wire crate with an adjustable divider in the
center so you can grow the crate with your
puppy.
Dog
shampoo
(I like the hypoallergenic kind)
Brush and comb, - A pin
brush goes over the top of the coat to make it look smooth,
and a steel toothed comb works great for going deep into the
coat.
N ail
clippers
Cleanup
supplies such as a stain remover, paper towels, deodorizing
and odor neutralizing spray
(like Natures Miracle)
Chew
Toys
(Kong is one of my favorite brands.)
Do not get any rawhide chews.
This
is a list of the basic necessities.
Your trainer may have additional items.
There are many other helpful and fun products available
at pet supply stores.
remove
dew claws?hey are removed whs are only a few days old.
Do you dock the
tail?
No, I feel this is the barometer
of what your dog is thinking and is too important to remove.
Of course, you could have it removed at any time, but I would not
encourage you to.
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What size will
the puppies be?
Royal Standards will range above 70.
Standards will
range from 40-65 pounds for most of my puppies.
Minis will range from
25-40
pounds.
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What is your
philosophy on breeding doodles?
All of our Doodle puppies are
first generation (F1) crosses. The F1 hybrid is the healthiest
cross possible due to “hybrid vigor”. It is our desire to
raise and promote this hybrid. We carefully select each
purebred parent for the characteristics that would result in puppies
with the most desirable pet qualities.
Our goal in breeding F1 puppies
is to breed a very healthy puppy with the desirable companion traits
found in their purebred parents. We do not breed
multigenerational Doodles as we have no desire to produce a “pure
breed” Doodle and we don’t want to see the Doodle hybrid begin
to have the inbred genetic problems found in the purebreds.
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What testing do
you do?
Hips - Canine Hip Displasia
(CHD) merits
concern by all doodle breeders and its prevalence may be reduced
with selective breeding. CHD is caused by a poorly formed
ball-and-socket joint in the hip. The quality of this
joint may be screened by x-ray and can then be certified by either the
OFA or PennHip organizations.
To select for new parents at
Sunshine Acres, they are either OFA certified
or have been screened by PennHip. We carefully select the
parents for each litter of puppies to ensure their offspring will
have healthy hips.
Heart - A second health
issue affecting doodles are heart murmurs. Heart murmurs come
in two different forms. Many puppies, like human babies, can
have heart murmurs that go away around 16 weeks of age. A more
severe heart murmur may not go away and develop into an adult dog
health issue. If adult parents have heart murmurs, there is a
good chance that a percentage of their puppies may also have heart
murmurs.
All the parents at Sunshine
Acres have had their hearts screened.
Blood - von Willebrand is
a bleeding disorder that is prevalent in the Poodles. If you
are considering your puppy for breeding, it is important that the
Poodle background is clear so you do not pass this down from one
generation to another.
All my Poodle parents have been
tested for this disease.
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How are your
puppies socialized?
The training your puppy receives
in its first 8 weeks can last a lifetime. Thus socialization
is not taken lightly at Sunshine Acres. Following is a general
schedule each litter follows while here:
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0-3 weeks -- The puppies are
maternally socialized. This simply means they are cared
for and taught by their mother. Human contact is limited
to healthcare and frequent but short contacts.
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3-6 weeks -- The puppies are
imprinted to human contact with petting and light play as well
as continued training from their mother.
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6-8 weeks -- The puppies
spend time meeting different aged humans (primarily children)
and are placed in different environments to accustom them to
change. They will also interact with other adult dogs and
see and hear various other animals.
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8-12 weeks -- The puppies are
now ready to go to their new homes and start their skills
training.
Socialization never ends.
As puppies join their new packs, they will instinctively seek their
level in the family hierarchy. Although we love them dearly,
they must be trained and taught that they are at the bottom of the
family hierarchy. A very big help to learn how to communicate
with your puppy is to enroll him or her in a puppy basic obedience
course as early as allowed by the instructor. Classes are
offered at most pet supply stores and canine schools in your
area. This class not only teaches your puppy skills, but
continues your puppy's socialization to you, other people, and other dogs.
The importance of
beginning to train your Goldendoodle as soon as he comes to your home
cannot be over emphasized. Just a few minutes each day spent in fun
interaction and training with your puppy
will reap life long benefits. By learning how to interact with your
puppy, and understanding how a dog's mind works, potential behavior
problems will be avoided. Help your puppy understand what your
expectations are through obedience training. A well mannered Goldendoodle
puppy is one who will be loved by all and welcome everywhere!
Following is my recommended
schedule for your Goldendoodle puppy once he/she is in your care:
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8-16 weeks -- Take your puppy
to its veterinarian for a wellness check shortly after your
puppy comes home (within 3 days). Start to potty train
your puppy. I recommend the crate-training method.
Teach your puppy to sit and stay. Take your puppy for
short walks, but limit interaction with strangers and their pets
until his or her immunizations are complete. Finally,
enroll your puppy in an obedience class.
This
class will strengthen the bond between you and your puppy, teach
you both about basic obedience and be a continued socialization
opportunity for your puppy. This class can be started as soon as
your puppy has complete his puppy shots (usually between 12 and
16 weeks). If you prefer, professional trainers can also do
individual classes, or come to your home for private lessons.
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16+ weeks -- Once a puppy is
trained, he or she will occasionally relapse or possibly start
an undesired behavior. Review the basics with your puppy
to remind them of your expectations. There are many
additional courses and training that is offered and you may
consider more classes.
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What do your
Doodles Do?
My doodles have been involved in
search and rescue, hunting, and therapy work. With their
socialization skills and intelligence, they are the most suitable
for therapy and companion-assistance type of work. I have
personally seen lives touched by my doodles and it does make a
difference.
Mostly though, my doodles are
acting silly, happy, loving and doing their best to make family ties
stronger. Of course, they still need training.
What do you mean
__-Mart mentality?
Be prepared! Our society
has taught us that all we need to do is take our purchases out of
the box, put in batteries, and away we go. Real live puppies
p__p and pee where we do not want them to, chew on your belongings
(especially through teething time), and require a part of your busy
schedule. They in turn reward you with unconditional love,
much happiness, and relief of stress.
It is so so important to train
them up in the way you want them to go or else they will be the
biggest menace in your life! You must learn how to communicate
with them. Read the books and attend a Basics class of your
choice. I do recommend the formal class setting for at least
the first part of training so your puppy may continue to socialize
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Where is Sunshine Acres?
We
are located in northwest Indiana, about halfway between Indianapolis
and Chicago off I-65.
Here is a link to
driving directions.
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Where do you
advertise?
http://www.pets4you.com/dog_links.html
-- A puppy classified page
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com
-- A puppy classified page
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